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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 19:46:18 GMT -6
Thank you very much for posting Nicole. I'm definitely going to read over this tomorrow for sure. I always like staying updated on this stuff and learning from it Thanks for taking the time.
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Post by kenoticket on Jun 5, 2014 19:52:49 GMT -6
Yes, thanks Nicole, and thanks to Sharon also for contributing.
I'm reading it all. I'm just not voicing an opinion because this is all way over my head. But I appreciate you taking the time to explain it. Maybe I'll learn something.
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 5, 2014 20:14:43 GMT -6
I should see if Google's SEO Guide in PDF is updated to reflect all of these drastic changes. At one point, I was going to draw up my own guide for those who have difficulty grasping all of it, but I had the idea just when Google started making all of the crazy changes. So, it's a good thing I didn't waste my time. LOL
However, now that Google is morphing into a more refined search engine, I think most of the basic requirements and best practices for appeasing the "Grizzly" bear won't change much, if at all. SEO experts like Glenn are making forward-thinking suggestions that have thus far safeguarded their clients from taking a hit every time Google rolls out another update -- even the drastic ones.
So, maybe I'll get around to that one of these days.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 19:51:03 GMT -6
"Keyword Stuffing refers to pages where "all core page elements excessively contained target keywords. The copy was extremely unnatural, the on-page titles (which were often the h1s), were clearly targeting keywords, the navigation was all using exact match anchor text, and the footer was crammed with more keyword-rich content and exact match anchor text links. And many times, the target keywords were repeatedly bolded throughout the content. It was obvious what the goal was while analyzing the pages… it was all for SEO." I still worry that I keyword stuff occasionally. It would be nice to hear from a Google expert on their viewpoint when it comes to keyword stuffing like for sellers and not just writers like for blogs. I have to be careful and watch myself not to use a keyword too much but sometimes I feel like I am. For example, this listing here has the word "sheets" six times when taking a look at the title, short description and the long description. I've tried to get better about not using the main name of the listing as much. But I'm also wondering if it is okay to use this keyword as much like I have or if it is considered keyword stuffing... www.treasureaislemercantile.com/store.php?seller=TreasureAisle&seeall=Y&sort=new&per=36&pd=7814091#.U5Jh63byRnMHere's a listing where I've cut back on not repeating the main word to the listing so much. I've used the main word "vase" four times in this one... www.treasureaislemercantile.com/store.php?seller=TreasureAisle&seeall=Y&sort=new&per=36&pd=8020646#.U5JvWHbyRnMkenoticket Based on the link Nicole left here, I did not know that "Google organic" was now starting to go softer on folks that have the same listing listed in different locations (BTW, you are a smart cookie and you probably know and understand more than what you think you do). Here's Nicole's paragraph on this from her post... "I think I may have also found an answer to one of Sharon's questions in that same article regarding how her product listings on multiple sites would impact her ranking. In the article, Glenn discusses how the latest Panda update "would be aimed at helping small businesses that might be affected by Panda." Google knew it had a significantly negative impact on small businesses since the first Panda update in 2011, so this one was designed to be more friendly to those that were negatively impacted by previous updates intended to target the bad guys, but took down some good guys along with them. You can find more detailed information in Jennifer Slegg's article, Will 'Softer' Google Panda Help Small Businesses Rank Better?PickyChicky The only other question I would have is still the one about how will Google know who originally had the content that gets duplicated elsewhere on the internet but with attribution, especially if folks are pointing to the wrong person/site as having the original content. I do not feel like this one has been fully answered by the Google experts. kenoticket, this would be a separate thing from sellers having duplicate listings on selling sites. This is something for like say on a blog where someone has used someone else's content and is giving attribution to the site/person that they got it from. I hope this makes sense.
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 6, 2014 23:48:44 GMT -6
@tiptoptreasures Here's the link to the latest SEO Guide from Google. I know it's the latest because it includes a section on how to optimize for mobile phone users. While you should read the whole thing, scroll down to page 14 and start there where it says, "Offer quality content and services." Also, having six instances of a word on a page is acceptable as long as your content isn't written in a nonsensical manner and actually provides value to the reader. I read it somewhere on Google's help site a few years ago that you should use a minimum of 3 and a maximum of 8 instances of a keyword on a page, including all core elements of the page (ie, title, description, and I believe meta tags as well). Here's an article on the Entrepreneur site that you might find helpful: How to Seamlessly Include Keywords in Your Web Content. Scroll down to the section titled, "Copywriting Tips: Good Copywriting vs. Keyword Stuffing," where you'll find a great guideline to determine if your descriptions are acceptable and truly serving their purpose. Just to ease your mind, all of the articles I've been linking to ARE written by SEO experts. LOL Every one of them were written by those who either have their own SEO firm or work for an SEO firm, which specializes in optimizing their clients' websites as well as doing the necessary research and analyzing data to keep up with the constant changes being made to search algorithms. So, you can rest assured that what you're reading is accurate and great advice. To answer your question about duplicate content, if it has the proper attribution, then Google will know that the content you've used originated elsewhere -- even if you didn't attribute it to the true originating author. During my research today, I came across a statement from a Google team member about how they take it upon themselves to determine who the original author truly is. So, as long as you're attributing the content to the source you pulled it from (or their source, if noted), then you're okay. By including the rel="canonical" code in the source link's HTML, you're telling the bots you're not the original author, so to look at that linked page to index that content rather than giving your search ranking credit for it. However, if the page consists mostly of your own original content, then your page will be ranked based on that, no matter what you copied from and attributed to another source. So, be sure to write your own quality content that will rightfully earn you your own top ranking in searches. I wish I could remember where I read that Google guy's statement, but I'm sure it's in one of the articles I linked to today -- or an article linked to within one of those articles. For an overview of what I've discovered during my research on this topic over the past few days, read my Disappearing from Search Results? Then You Must Read This post. The light bulb illuminating the reasons we've all been having so many problems achieving and maintaining a healthy page rank might finally come on for you -- just like it did for me earlier and inspired me to write about it the moment it switched on. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 8:33:23 GMT -6
I am just now seeing the links on keywords. For some reason I did not notice them last night. I woke up at 2AM with blurred vision when reading this lol. Yes, I don't think I have any questions left for the guy who writes the Search Engine Watch blog. Too bad lol. I wanted to hear him talk to us
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 7, 2014 16:54:08 GMT -6
Yeah, I should have bolded the links so they could be seen easier. About the questions, I think we still have a short list. When I first started putting a list together, I felt there were too many and I didn't want to bombard him. LOL That's why I started researching things myself and I'm so glad I did because I learned a LOT and even had that epiphany about why we've been having all of the problems with dropping out of search results. Anywho, here's the short list we could present to him and invite him to join our discussion here: - What if others are copying your content without your permission and not attributing it to you? Can Google still see that yours is the original? If not, is there a code you can add to your own page that would designate it as your original content? I do include a copyright statement in the site's footer.
- What if you unknowingly attribute content you've copied to a source that's not the original author? Will Google ding you for that?
- Regarding pages that list your categories and/or describe what's in your categories, do we need to noindex those pages to avoid being penalized by Google?
- How does spam traffic/referer spam affect user engagement and bounce rate metrics?
If I missed any, please do let me know. I'll post the questions to his blog tomorrow evening.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 17:48:59 GMT -6
"What if others are copying your content without your permission and not attributing it to you? Can Google still see that yours is the original? If not, is there a code that could be included to designate it as original content? What if you unknowingly attribute content you've copied to a source that's not the original author? Will Google ding you for that?" This is what I mean also Nicole. We just have been wording it differently
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 20:21:58 GMT -6
We could ask him this right here just to make sure.
Can our boilerplate that is duplicated within each of our own listings on our own site be considered as duplicate content in Google's eyes?
G'night.
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 7, 2014 20:58:28 GMT -6
I can definitely add that question. While I don't want to bombard him with a long list of questions, at least I did my homework to find answers before asking. LOL
I also just edited the end of the first question to make it a bit clearer, "If not, is there a code you can add to your own page that would designate it as your original content? I do include a copyright statement in the site's footer."
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 14, 2014 3:23:12 GMT -6
Here's an interesting read I got in my email from Nick Stamoulis of Brick Marketing, Google Takes on eBay. Google apparently hit eBay with a manual actual right around the time they rolled out the latest Panda update, which caused them to drop from #6 to #25 on the list of top sites that hold the most search ranking real estate, causing them to lose two-thirds of their real estate. Note at the end of the article how it mentions that eBay strikes back by significantly reducing its investment in their AdWords campaign. This is why big brands get away with so much poo...money talks. If Google were to hit big brands as hard as they do small businesses with their algorithm updates, they'd lose a lot of money as the big brands would fight dirty to force Google to play favorites. It sure would be nice if we were all treated equally and that the big brands would play fair instead of throwing their money around like a bunch of children throwing temper tantrums because they didn't get to take somebody else's candy, which they got for being good little children. If they want candy, then they should play nice like the rest of us honest small business owners. Seeing how eBay reacted like a spoiled child, we really should reconsider who we blame for our problems with search ranking. Google is a publicly-traded business, so they have themselves and investors to protect from big bully businesses like eBay. Hence, the reason big brands usually aren't affected by algorithm updates. If these big businesses were forced to play fair, then Google could get back to treating us all equally so we'd have an even playing field in search results. Unfortunately, while this screams unfair trade practices, I don't think there's anything the government can do about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 13:48:39 GMT -6
That is an interesting article. I shared it on Twitter. Thanks for sharing it.
Ultimately I would put the blame on Google if they were to give into eBay. Google organic is supposed to be separate from Google shopping. Even Google has this posted somewhere on the net. I cannot remember where but I did read this.
eBay is acting like a child, sort of like pulling a fit and holding back from Google Adwords because they are not getting what they want in Google organic even if they deserve a lower SEO ranking, which they do.
Google needs to stick to their guns. If Google did then these sites would have to start following better SEO practices eventually because they will want to be in Google organic. It's sort of like Amazon not wanting to play to pay in Google shopping. Amazon had to of realized that they did still need Google shopping because now they are paying to be in there. I would think that eBay would end up realizing that they still need Google organic.....if eBay was not getting their way by pulling back on Google adwords, then eventually they would have to start following the rules like everyone else in order to stay in the top 10 in Google organic.
If Google gives into eBay, then they might as well throw their Panda out the door.
This scenario here might explain why eBay, even if they do not have good meta, was still doing well in Google organic.....because Google gives into eBay. I hope that they do not give into eBay and that Google continues with the track that they are on, which I hope is a fair track.
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 14, 2014 16:10:14 GMT -6
When you think about it, reducing their investment in AdWords will only hurt their ranking in organic search even more. LOL I think it's just a ploy to see if Google will give in. If they don't, then you can rest assured eBay will go back to using AdWords as usual. So, let's hope Google does stick to its guns.
I would think they would since this was actually a manual action Google took against eBay that didn't have anything to do with the Panda update. So, they must be making an example of eBay to get the message out to the big brands that they need to follow the rules just like everybody else.
As you mentioned, Amazon already gave in to Google and are now paying to play for a presence in Google Shopping. So, let's hope it will be eBay giving in to Google rather than the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 18:51:41 GMT -6
I've been looking and looking in Google organic to see how I can find out what all items of mine are in there.
Finally, here is what I found on how to do it.
site:www.yourdomain.com
Type the word Site and then a colon and then type in your URL into Google's search box and then there you go....you can see what all Google organic has indexed.
It is weird because with Bonanza all I had to do was type in my store name I believe it was and many of my listings, if not all, would show up in Google organic.
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 14, 2014 23:09:16 GMT -6
Did you find that tip in the latest reference thread I posted about Google tools? It was in there. Unfortunately, that doesn't help when you're testing the ranking of your pages, but it is certainly good for when you can't find a listing using keywords and you want to make sure it's being indexed. If it's being indexed and you can't find your listed within the first three pages during a keyword search, then you have some work to do on that listing.
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