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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 20:31:55 GMT -6
Keno, I would be more than glad......after I get this all down pat and do see a difference, to help you out in understanding. I bet you could do the meta keyword box in a heart beat later on down the road.
Thanks Keno.
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 9, 2014 21:37:35 GMT -6
Aaahhhh! Now that I see where the meta description is being plugged in, I understand why it's being copied to those three spots, which is exactly what you want. About how to format the keywords when entering them, do they have a little question mark next to the entry box or something that you can click on to see if they provide an example? I know how frustrating it can be trying to keep up with so many changes. I think in the end, Google will get it right because they truly do want to provide the best quality search results; otherwise, they wouldn't be the most popularly used search engine. We just have to be patient and work along with them while they refine their search algorithm to work better for us all, whether as a business owner trying to compete and do research or a mere user. One thing to keep in mind is that many other site owners do not understand what's going on with search. So, we have a leg up on them and if we adapt to the changes, making our pages more Google-friendly for past, present and future updates, then we will reap the rewards while everyone else will still be getting kicked out of searches. That means less competition for us since the bots will like our pages better. So, kenoticket, if you have any specific questions, feel free to ask. I know it's a lot to take in, particularly all at once, but that's what we're here for.
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 9, 2014 23:21:17 GMT -6
For keyword stuffing, title cramming and low quality content, I found a listing on Etsy that makes for a great example of what Google will frown upon. Please note, this is in no way intended as an affront to anyone nor to diss a competitor (I don't buy or sell jewelry with the exception of a few one-time pieces). This is merely for the purpose of providing an example to hopefully make things clearer: TITLE: Beautiful Picasso Black Czech Dangle Earrings, Black Earrings, Black Picasso Dangle Earrings On top of that, the description for this item is seriously lacking and stuffs a list of keywords at the end that should have been incorporated in the paragraph as part of the "conversation" describing the earrings: - This pair of unique and versatile dangle earrings are complete with beautiful picasso black round czech coin beads (16mm) and hypoallergenic surgical stainless steel earring wire. Earrings measure approximately 1 1/4 inches from the top of the ear wire.
Modern, Retro, Chic Black Dangle Earrings.
The SEO practices used in the above example simply are not going to work for this listing. With Google rolling out all of these updates over the past few years, this listing is seriously suffering in search results. I tried various searches and found the following: - Beautiful Picasso Black Czech Dangle Earrings, Black Earrings, Black Picasso Dangle Earrings (exact title) -- Top result
- Black Czech Dangle Earrings -- Not found within first 5 pages, but another Etsy seller has the 6th spot.
- Black Picasso Dangle Earrings -- 3rd result
- Black Dangle Earrings -- Not found within first 10 pages.
- Chic Black Dangle Earrings -- Not found within first 5 pages, but one of this seller's other listings for a different pair of earrings with that exact title are found in the 6th spot (but not in any other search).
- Modern Black Dangle Earrings -- Not found within first 5 pages.
- Retro Black Dangle Earrings -- Not found within first 5 pages.
While the exact title had the top spot and "Black Picasso Dangle Earrings" had the 3rd spot, who searches for similar earrings using those search terms? The last four sets of search terms are more likely being used when searching for a pair of black dangle earrings and this listing failed to be found within the first 5 pages. Notice how the seller's listing titled "Chic Black Dangle Earrings" popped up in the 6th spot, but didn't point to the listing I was looking for. It's also worth noting that this listing did not appear anywhere within the first 5 pages of any of the other searches (first 10 pages for the "Black Dangle Earrings" search). Yes, the jewelry market is a highly competitive one, but if better SEO practices are used, you have a better chance of being visible in organic searches. As you can see, between the title and description, the title seems to be the most important factor. Somewhere in the links I've provided, Google even says to tell the bots within your title what the item is and, in this case, that would be "black dangle earrings." In this example, it would be more effective sticking to a simple title like "Black Dangle Earrings with Czech Beads" without any descriptors that Google bots find irrelevant to the product type (ie, beautiful, unique, versatile). Expanding on and complimenting the title with a longer description that incorporates all related keywords in a conversational paragraph or two might peak the attention of the Google bots because it is of higher quality. That way they're not just relying on the title alone when matching search terms. As the title and description are currently written with the keyword stuffing, title cramming and low quality description, they are obviously written for SEO only, not to provide the browser any value. That is something Google also specifically mentions somewhere in the links I've provided -- if it's obviously written for SEO purposes only, then the Google bots will ignore your page. So, you need to provide quality content that makes sense to users and something written for SEO purposes only is considered nonsensical, low quality content by the Google bots. So, when writing your titles and descriptions, just keep in mind that Google is sincerely trying to produce better quality results that will engage and make sense to users. That means no more keyword stuffing, title cramming, short descriptions, low quality content, or duplicate content. Using multiple instances of keywords is still encouraged by Google, but only in a conversational manner that makes sense to the reader and relates to the listed product, whether in your title or description. Although, there should only be one instance of a keyword in the title and it should start with the product type (ie, black dangle earrings). In the description, using bullet points and then repeating that content in paragraph format is no longer acceptable as it is now deemed to be keyword stuffing. While bullet points are still acceptable, the description paragraph(s) should include other long tail keywords and descriptors. Leave the bullet points for things like size, dimensions, material, and key features (ie, zippered pockets) that aren't easily seen or summed up in paragraph format. Yes, the paragraph should still mention things like key features and material, but include that info in a different manner, using different keywords and descriptors than what's in the bullet list. Plus, the bullet list should ONLY include key points and NO descriptors. For example, "ornate buttons down the front" should be in the paragraph and "button front" should be in the bullet list. Anywho, I hope that helps clear things up a bit. I'm going to research my own listings to see how they do in search results and may provide more examples. Particularly as I change things where necessary to appease the Google bots since it will give me a before and after sample to provide. Of course, if you have any questions, please feel free to ask them because, like I told kenoticket, that's what we're here for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 6:20:40 GMT -6
I guess when I start working on my websites, I am not going to worry about Google. It's funny that all the computers and electronics is downloaded with Google browser I wish people would find out that there are other things than Google shopping, Google Chrome, Google search.... I wish Google would get Gobbled!
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I use to use website submitters to have one of my website sent into the N E T.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 7:53:08 GMT -6
Catcop, there are a lot of words here in this thread throughout posts.....it is the length that more than likely is feeling difficult and/or the unknown words that have been mentioned or both......but it is not as bad as what it appears to be.
We are among friends here. The beauty is that we can take our time in understanding and friends want to see friends succeed in overcoming an obstacle.
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Nicole, I'm this close to doing away with bullets...
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 10, 2014 8:12:32 GMT -6
@catcop I'm sorry there's so much to read. It's like being in school all over again, eh? LOL I'm just trying to analyze and provide examples to help make it clearer, so just take your time reading it all to let it sink in. Of course, if there are any terms you need defined or other questions answered, just ask and ye shall receive. @tiptoptreasures The only time I use bullets is when there are numerous details to include. For example, the travel gear I've sold usually has several features (multiple pockets, some zippered, some not, etc.). Plus, books, movies, and music have all that publication info and playlists, and clothing requires so many details. I can't remember any other product I've included bullet lists for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 9:15:56 GMT -6
This is all so distressing. When I manage to get my internet back, I'll catch up on all the links and decide what to do. Thanks for all the footwork on researching this...
Moms....
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 10, 2014 9:26:59 GMT -6
No problemo, Marianna! We should get on the phone later and discuss how you could more easily implement some of the changes using Presto and Bonz's bulk editor.
Anywho, I had an afterthought about my last post that I wanted to share before heading out for an appointment...
The thing is that Bing and Yahoo tend to follow suit. It's just that they don't seem to announce changes to their algorithm -- at least not that I've seen. At least Google is announcing when they make changes so we know to possibly expect some changes in our ranking.
Okay, off to my appointment...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 10:28:14 GMT -6
This is pretty revealing...just got this in email on the Bonanza Store. From June 2 to June 8 • 205 total visitors -12%
•194 new visitors i.e. 94.6% of total -12%
•295 pages viewed -23%
•Your average visitor spent 1 minute and 49 seconds on your site +1%
I've only had 16 booth views this week. And 5200 item views. Shaking my head here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 14:05:35 GMT -6
So sorry. I just feel that Google has too big of britches and making sellers jump everytime they make changes. Just grumbling in the background
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 15:45:44 GMT -6
PickyChicky Yep, I'm deciding to do away with bullets other than on rare occasions. No big deal for the ones that are there right now though.....just no new ones for me. I had to include in my email for Presto to add the end part (the div part) of the nocontent to my boiler plate....it did not go in there the first time around. I noticed that after the fact. Now it is in there. Here is Presto's response back: "PrestoBiz response: 06/10/2014 Hello Sharon, I am glad to help. Google does not give any weight to the meta description when it comes to page rank. The meta description has been discontinued because it is not visible content on the page. It was tricky to accomplish in a "bulk update" but I managed to move the "</div>" to the end of all of your boiler plate content. In response to your question, the ending "</div>" is required because otherwise Google continue down the page skipping content below your boiler plate content - essentially it will treat all text below as "nocontent". Regarding your keywords for the meta keyword box, you will want to format the keywords exactly as you listed them. Keywords should be separated by commas (but no commas should be used other than separating one keyword from another). Therefore this was perfect: casserole dish,1950s Fire King,1950s glassware,bakeware Lastly, we have corrected the issue with the word "Newsletter" appearing your meta keywords. The keyword generator will use titlebar content but not grab the last word or phrase in your header content. Best regards, Peter C. | PrestoBiz Webmaster"
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 11, 2014 8:15:13 GMT -6
Glad to hear he got that all fixed for you. I've been busy with appointments this week (have another today), so haven't had a chance to finish researching my own products. What I've noticed so far is that my Etsy listings seem to be getting the attention in organic searches while both the Etsy and eCrater listings are doing well in Google Shopping.
I think I may also be noticing a trend that has me concerned. So far, it looks as if the products I listed on Etsy first are the ones getting the attention in organic searches, but the ones I listed on eCrater first are getting the attention. It's really odd because organic search is where listings from all stores should show up (duplicate or not) and Google Shopping is where the duplicates are supposed to get knocked off, but it seems to be the other way around.
So, I definitely have more research to do to determine what's happening. I haven't even had a chance to look at Google Analytics, yet, which I'm hoping to do sometime today. I'll post the details of my findings when I'm done.
P.S. -- I wonder if manually submitting my eCrater site to the search engines will help.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 14:16:45 GMT -6
Well, Here I am. So where do I start?
I guess step one is to look at a large sample of listings on the net and see if they are showing up, and if so, how well. So that is where I will begin. Getting a late start because of all the craziness ones computer goes through when it is vacationed for awhile and needs a new antivirus program installed to boot.
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Post by kenoticket on Jun 11, 2014 14:33:54 GMT -6
Welcome back. You've been sorely missed!!
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Post by PickyChicky on Jun 11, 2014 14:52:09 GMT -6
Welcome back, Marianna! Yes, I would start by research how listings in the various categories are appearing in both organic search and Google Shopping. You might even check how they're appearing in Bing and/or Yahoo organic searches to see if there's a difference. While Bing and Yahoo tend to follow suit, they may not be going to the extremes Google is. If you use Google Analytics, I would also see what sort of stats you have there. If you don't use GA, I would recommend that you seriously consider using it because it will help a great deal in determining what's going on and what you need to do -- particularly the Universal Analytics mentioned somewhere in one of the threads related to this topic. Although, UA may still be in beta (can't remember), so may not be available to everyone, yet, but you should see the option for upgrading to it when you sign in to GA. There's also instructions for upgrading that I provided a link to somewhere that you should check out before upgrading because it requires a certain process. Once you've determined which listings are doing good and which aren't, then you can compare them to see what's different about each that might be affecting its page ranking. Also, I would check out the article I linked to in the first post of this thread to get a good idea of what you're looking for and what you might need to change. There are also several links provided in the original Panda thread that you may find useful. As for me, I'm going to be unavailable for the most part today and tomorrow as I have some personal obligations and tasks to tend to. I knew I was going to be busy this week, but I didn't realize I was going to be this busy. LOL Of course, I will check in when I can to see if anyone needs help. P.S. -- I just added the links to this post. When I get a chance, I'll do a post with all helpful links so we have them in one place. I also still need to post those questions on Glenn Gabe's blog. Sorry I've just been so busy this week.
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